Primal/Paleo

The Best Explanation of How Low Carb Works and When It Works

This is about a one-hour podcast interview that is well worth the time for anyone that wants to understand what you are doing with low carb, how it works, when you succeeded. and how to keep improving. The Show is part of a new and very good series called “Ask the Low Carb Experts.” Jimmy Moore interviews the best people he can find and picks their brains. All the shows are really good. I get mine free on iTunes.

Here’s the link and a quick summary-

Ask The Low-Carb Experts (Episode 5): ‘Ketosis: Devil Or Angel?’ | Mark Sisson

Sisson’s explanation of “keto-adapted” vs ketosis is key to understanding what you need to know about low carb.

Briefly, he is saying that low carbers are missing the true meaning of positive ketosis readings (from keto sticks). All a positive reading means is that fat that was food is now converted to ketones on the way to being passed out in urine. People think a positive reading is a good and desirable thing. Not so. What you want is to become adapted to using those ketones for fuel, and you won’t get a positive reading if you are doing it right.

Think of your digestive system as three subsystems- one burns sugar/carbs, one burns protein, one fat. The whole point of doing low carb is to squeeze the carbs down to give the sugar/carb burning system as little to do as possible to get the hormonal benefit.

The system you want to use the most is the fat burning system, according to Sisson. You keep carbs low, protein moderate, and your main fuel is fat. Once you do this long enough, your body adapts to it. You are “keto adapted.”

Keto adapted people burn fat. They burn the fat in food, and they burn the fat stored on the body if energy runs low.

If this is the case, then one can see “low carb” as a means to an end, not the end in itself. A lot of people think you count carbs, keep them low, and that equals all you need to know. Sisson is saying not at all. You do low carb until your body becomes adapted to burning fat “keto adapted,” and that’s all the benefit you are going to get out of low carb. As long as you eat well enough to keep it that way, carbs are not driving things anymore.

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Here’s another explanation on Livestrong.com that discusses the difference between sugar burning and fat burning.

“Can Your Body Really Learn to Burn Fat Instead of Carbs?”

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What to Eat, Who to Believe – Short Version

Sorting through all the diet and nutrition information available can be frustrating. Some friends just say, “It’s too much! I hear everything. Isn’t there a short version of what I should eat, and who should I believe?”

OK, sure.. here’s a short version.

From Salisburypost.com-

I’s that time of the year. The time when we all decide we’re going to be healthy and eat better. The question that frequently arises is, what is the best diet for me to follow? The answer to this question has been so varied and changed so frequently over the years that it’s no wonder we all suffer from analysis paralysis when trying to decide what we should be putting into our mouths. We have been influenced by nutritional researchers, our doctors and our government and look at the sad state we’re currently in. Let’s try empiric logic and attempt to discover what we should be eating based on what our genes dictate. We couldn’t do any worse.

The new diet I am recommending is actually 60,000-100,000 years old. It is called the Paleolithic, or Caveman diet. Simply, if you can hunt it, fish it, pull it off of a tree or out of the ground, then you can eat it. Simple as that. This is how we ate thousands of years ago and how we have evolved to eat and should be eating now. Back in Paleolithic times there were no processed foods or food manufacturers. Another basic recommendation is, eat what you are. We are primarily composed of protein and fat and very little carbohydrate. We don’t need to spend millions of dollars to figure that out…”

The whole article is a good explanation of the logic behind Paleo.

My favorite defense of Paleo right now goes like this: Consider the many thousands and thousands of diet studies published each year, but we get less healthy and more confused. It’s just not working! I don’t think anyone is going to work out how to buy food at Wal Mart and look like you don’t, at least not while I can still walk.

Paleo eliminates the variables (to an extent). Until science can figure about a better way of eating than nature did, I think I’m going to switch off the whitecoats and their boring papers and hang out with the hunter gatherers. Maybe the whitecoats will figure it out someday, but they have to learn how to think first. :)

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Is it Going to Take Engineers to Put This Calorie Nonsense to Bed?

It Takes Just Two Engineers to Correct a Whole Field of Study’s Stupid Mistakes!

The next time you hear a dietitian or a TV show bigmouth say “calories in=calories out” (CICO) and 3,500 calories equals 1 lb of body fat, you can completely debunk these with a single statement. Don’t worry about digging into the finer details of insulin, leptin, exercise, or any of that. Just say:

“Since the calorie is a unit of energy and weight storage is a process, CICO is meaningless and 1lb=3,500 calories is incorrect because an input to a process does not equal the process itself, or its output.”

Done. Calories in=calories out and 1lb=3,500 calories are hereby declared dead due to incorrect mixing of process inputs, actions, and outputs. These people have literally been peddling nonsense.

What’s this about?

There is a boom of people who are trading notes online on all kinds of diet information that gets down to internal body processes, and all of them involve some actions inside the body that happen for numerous reasons. People who are doing low carb to lose weight or Paleo to lose weight and live better, or doing intermittent fasting, all that seeks to change the process going on inside. People are getting better at it all the time. Let’s say they are working on a process model.

The process model folks are always under attack, or disregarded by CICO folks that don’t get it, get in arguments, and in general just make nuisances out of themselves.

What’s wrong with CICO then, and 1 lb=3,500 calories? It only allows one input, calories, and it has one action-steady burn. It’s not much of a process model at all. It’s really just skipping actions and jumping to a guessed answer. No animal on this planet works that way. Why are so-called professionals getting away with even saying it?

What’s a process?:

A process is something that needs 3 three things-
1. Inputs
2. Actions
3. Outputs

One input to the process that determines your weight is food in. Calories is a legitimate and very important input. Dietitians tell us just take energy out (another input, not an output), and use this to find the net difference, then work in 1lb=3,500 calories. Every lb up or down has to be due to 3,500 calories in, or avoided, except for energy out. Done. But it’s dead wrong. In fact, this is impossible for this to be correct. It just skipped every action inside your body besides “steady burn,” whatever that is anyway, and jumped to an answer.

We haven’t even gotten to actions yet, but let’s look at the inputs left out of the above-
-Stress
-Sleep
-Hormonal health.

You can’t correctly analyze a process if you ignore the inputs that matter.

Moving on to actions:

The actions we are interested in are part of all the complicated processes in the body that determine how you turn food to into energy and set your weight point. We don’t even know them all but we know that they do exist.

Hormones move around in the body and carry inputs and outputs where they need to go, tissues, glands, the brain. Hormones are not necessarily inputs themselves, but if they are messed up, the process gets messed up and you might get an output (weight) you don’t want. It should be said that there is room to debate the details, but we do have some basic facts to work from like insulin’s role in storing fat, leptin’s role in signaling the brain about how much fat is there, and the thyroid’s role in managing too many important processes to mention. There are more. There are all kinds of things going on.

It’s a complex system with complex processes. It’s not like food as an input just goes “poof,” and you gain energy by heating up inside, and when you get cold, hit it again. That would simply be a steady burn process. No animal on Earth works that way, except humans, if you listen to a dietitian. True Story!

When people chose to eat low carb/Paleo for example, they are manipulating the food input to hopefully get the hormone action they want. It’s not just calories, it’s the balance of macros because they know that changing macro percentages can change actions once the process starts. In other words, the thinking is less carbs lowers insulin, and since this is an input to the real fat storage equation, it matters.

At least you have things in some kind of process model that reflects how lifeforms work on Earth. No one has a perfect process model and we are all experimenting.

What the Stupid People are Thinking:

Low fat dieters are manipulating inputs too, but they don’t know what they are doing and skipping to the answer, an amateur mistake. They are simply ignoring every input except calories to simplify the math. But, the problem comes next-

CICO declares that there is no such thing as a fat storage process that does anything other than add and subtract. Why is it then, that nature put in such a complex analog computer to sort it out? Why the built-in complex process? Just because we don’t know everything there is to know about it, it certainly can’t be said that it does not exist. If you don’t understand the model, you don’t just skip it and declare a direct relationship between input and output. This really is what they are doing. Where do they get numbers then?

Meet the bomb calorimeter. This is a gadget you put a bit of food in, hit a button, vaporize it in an instant, and watch the temperature change. Temp change=energy stored. Write that down. It’s not steady burn, it’s instant burn. =poof= This is where calorie numbers really come from.

On to the 1lb=3,500 calories thing, this isn’t even in correct units. A lb is a unit of weight (mass). A calorie is a unit of energy. This is saying that the output of a process (weight) is equivalent to the input of the process (calories). Algebra 001, use consistent units. It’s really just putting numbers to the incorrect CICO thing anyway, the one that skips process and goes right to the (guessed) answer.

Summary:

Sure, this is geeky, but if you suffered through it, hopefully the diet wars make more sense.

On one hand, there are a variety of people experimenting with process models for their diet and health, and it’s working pretty good.

Then we have dietitians and all those agencies telling you, with impossible math, that there is only one model and it’s a tin can with wires on it, and it works exactly the way your body does. It’s not even good enough to call a process model, because they are just skipping around and leaving things out. But, it works better than anything else anyone is doing, including the mob that is comparing notes online that knows better.

Let’s let the first idiot that keeps saying CICO and 1lb=3,500 calories have their thyroid, adrenals, and about half the pancreas blocked, because after all, they don’t do a thing. It’s not in their math.

It’s not.

True story.

This was a lunch hour project, don’t expect references!

-Two Engineers in Memphis

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Great Podcast About Leptin with Dr Ron Rosedale

This is a clip from Jimmy Moore Low Carb show, which is cool to,listen to free on iTunes!

Ask The Low-Carb Experts (Episode 2): “All Things Leptin (Leptin 101)” | Dr. Ron Rosedale:
Link to Podcast

World’s leading leptin expert answers listener questions on the role this “master hormone” plays in virtually every area of your health. If you’re clueless on leptin, then you need to listen to this podcast.

Note: testing the WordPress iPad app. If the links are no good, I’m working on it!

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Straight Health Wiki

Spotted this on Marksdailyapple forum-

A new wiki site called “Straight Health” just started, and according to the creator,

I put together a wiki about health. Paleolithic aspects are included but its primarily about populations that have been documented as healthy, modern scientific reasoning and research, etc…The ultimate idea is a site where if you wanted to talk to somebody about some health issue, you can easily pull up a concise but extensive document detailing everything relevant/significant, with sources and particular arguments included.

Here’s a link to the main page…

I thought the “Heath and Diets” page was really interesting. It steps you through how primates and early man ate and works up to today. Link to the Health and Diets page…

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SF Chronicle Article on Paleo Eating is Pretty Cool

From SFGate-com-

Chris LaLanne, grandnephew of the legendary fitness guru Jack LaLanne, and his wife Maribel recently had a paleo cooking class in San Fran that was featured in the San Francisco Chronicle. it’s pretty good!

…The premise of paleo: Humans are evolutionarily designed to consume certain foods. Post-agricultural revolution, the human diet changed dramatically, and for the worse. We aren’t built to eat most of what we consume today and as a result, we have high levels of diabetes, heart disease, obesity and are generally unhealthy. A return to our roots means a return to good health.

The core tenets of the diet are simple: 1) eliminate grains, legumes, dairy and processed foods; and 2) eat as much lean meat, fish, fruit and non-starchy vegetables as you want. Compare this to the 2010 U.S. dietary guidelines, which encourage increased intake of whole grains and fat-free or low-fat dairy products…

Full story…

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Psychology Today Picks Up Top “Paleo” Bloggers

Another news bit spotted on Mark’s Daily Apple-

An editor at Psychology Today is a fan of one of the more popular “Paleo” sites, and asked the owner to post on their site as well.

The blogger that started at Psychology today is Dr Kurt Harris, his blog is call www.paleonu.com, or commonly known as PaNu for short.

PaNu’s home on Psychology Today is here…

At second new blogger, Dr Emily Deans, was added, and her column is called “Evolutionary Psychiatry.”

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A Paleo Site Reviews “Why We Get Fat,” and Challenges “Calories In/Calories Out”

I keep looking for a good rebuttal to Taubes challenge to the “calories in/calories out” theory of weight management, and instead, I keep finding things like the following review of “Why We Get Fat” on www.hunter-gatherer.com-

…Taubes takes dead aim at the calories-in / calories-out hypothesis.  This is the hypothesis that obesity is*caused* by over-eating or under-exercising (a caloric surplus).  It seems true on the face of it — the only way you can become heavier and fatter is to take in more calories than you expend.  This hypothesis has dominated the last fifty years of mainstream health advice from doctors, government officials, and many health gurus.  It underpins our nation’s low fat hysteria (fat has more calories per gram than carbohydrate, therefore fat is evil!), our exercise madness (go burn those calories!), and contributes to the notion that fat causes heart disease (if obesity increases the risk of heart disease, and if fat leads to obesity, then Honey Nut Cheerios must be heart healthy!).  But what if the calories-in / calories-out hypothesis is wrong?  What if we’ve spent two generations and billions of dollars re-engineering our food system and altering our eating habits away from fat…and making ourselves fatter and unhealthier as a result?…

…The answer, as Taubes argues, is carbohydrate.  Carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat storage.   This is not a new idea, and it is not a fad diet.  It was the conventional wisdom for hundreds of years before low fat hysteria took hold a few decades ago.  In fact, Taubes frequently tells the reader that there is nothing new in this book — not only is it simply a more succinct version of GCBC, but the arguments in the book are not original to Taubes.  They were the accepted wisdom based on scientific evidence, much of it conducted by the Germans and Austrians in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before World War II derailed and buried their work…

Check out the comments afterwards, they are good reading too.

This stuff is making the rounds on websites, and there is a lot of disagreement.

The calories in/calories out theory (at least as I understand it) is that weight can be reduced to a simple equation. A pound of fat equals X amount of calories, and to reduce one’s weight one pound, you simply do a specific amount of work (in calories) corresponding to that pound and the pound is gone.

If you want to lose another pound, just do it again. Keep going until you reach your goal. Easy.

If the body really works this way, there should be no disagreement. If there is something specific wrong with what Taubes is saying (calories in/calories out is a myth), it should be simple, and everyone on each of the sites that say he is wrong would be saying the same things. Also, we would not know anyone who tried to “work it off” and watch it come right back on.

It’s true that quite a few people don’t like to hear this, but so far the criticism is scattered all over the place.

Why is it that if you “work it off,” people are finding that the weight just returns? Are they eating one pound’s worth of calories too many for each pound that returns?

As the summary above points out, no. “Carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat storage.” This explanation is meant to account for why people just see the weight rebound.

Update: I am running across more reviews of WWGF, so instead of making a new entry for each, I will just list them here:

Gary Taubes & Why We Get Fat, by the Weight Maven

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Example: How Diet Studies Lie (Whole Grains)

Eat whole grains! They make you healthy and you will live longer!

Who says? People who want to sell them to you, and people who will just say anything and try and prove it with bogus statistics.

We Were Not Meant to Eat This Stuff in the First Place

Mark’s Daily Apple, a website about eating naturally (primal) is about an approach to diets that shows how foods added to the human diet in recent history (measured in thousands of years) are actually less healthy than, for example, “eating like a caveman.” One of the things added to the human diet in recent history has been grains.

Our bodies did not evolve over time by eating cultivated grains. Maybe early humans munched on some when they needed to, but humans were meant to eat lean protein, nuts, and fresh fruits and vegetables, things that were common in our long evolutionary history. Grains were cultivated in the last few thousand years, when people started learning agriculture. This is a tiny blimp in time compared to all of human history.

Just because this cultivation fed more people, it does not prove that it is healthy, or even a good idea. It just shows that it fed more people. There was a practical and economic reason to do it.

In more recent times, we have been hearing all about food groups, and food pyramids, and these always had a bread/grain component. Why? Because there was still a business reason to sell this stuff. A lot of it was crap, and in fact, wheat makes a lot of people sick and they don’t know it. Check this Mayo Clinic link on Celiac Disease.

The latest trend, which even health food suppliers have been fooled by, is to swap “whole grains” for processed grains. This is often backed by all kinds of supposedly scientific studies, with lots of talk about fiber and living better and/or longer. It’s still a bunch of crap.

Mark’s Daily Apple Takes a Skeptical Look at Whole Grain Study

Studies pop up all the time, and they can use numbers in a lot of deceiving ways. One such study was just ripped apart by an entry on Mark’s Daily Apple called “Will Eating Whole Grains Help You Live Longer?” The entry is by Denise Minger, and she found the conclusions to be suspicious.

What Minger doesn’t argue with, is that eating whole grains is better than processed crap. That’s not too hard to argue with. What the study does not prove, and it is just assumed, is if any of this is even good for you or not? One is just less harmful than the other.

Minger points out some problems in this study that are common tricks when one tries to use data to prove a point-they use “confounders.”

What’s a confounder? A quick google finds a definition on wiki-

In statistics, a confounding variable (also confounding factor, lurking variable, a confound, or confounder) is an extraneous variable in a statistical model that correlates (positively or negatively) with both the dependent variable and the independent variable. The methodologies of scientific studies therefore need to control for these factors to avoid a false positive (Type I) error; an erroneous conclusion that the dependent variables are in a causal relationship with the independent variable. Such a relation between two observed variables is termed a spurious relationship. Thus, confounding is a major threat to the validity of inferences made about cause and effect, i.e. internal validity, as the observed effects should be attributed to the independent variable rather than the confounder…

Now my brain hurts. What was that about?

Let’s pick a simpler example. I will just make one up. Suppose you want to sell bathrobes. You do a study that shows that people who spend the most time in bathrobes get less sunburn, and less skin cancer than people who don’t wear them too much. Conclusion: bathrobes are effective in reducing skin cancer. The numbers prove it. Easy.

Of course what you do not say, is that the people who spend the most time in bathrobes are people that stay inside anyway! Duh. They won’t get sunburn or skin cancer as much, because they are inside, in their bathrobes.

This is how food studies lie with confounding statistics. It happens all the time.

More Truth About Grains

Minger’s entry about the study didn’t spend a lot of time on what it really wrong with grains in the first place. She was really showing how bogus the recent news bit was.

For more detail, take a look at “Why Grains Are Unhealthy,” on the same site.

For another view, see “Fiber, Cereals, and Grains; even whole grains and oats are out on a Paleolithic Diet.

For some balance, South Beach says Whole Grains are OK in Phase 2.

What Does Diet for Humans dot com Really Think?

This site is all about exploring the question of what you should eat, what you should do to be healthy, and who to believe. Overall, I agree with the primal/paleo argument for “eating like a caveman.” Sisson’s primal approach and the Paleo approach are consistent with South Beach Phase 1 (something I had much success with myself) and there is something to it.

You probably don’t have to be a purist about it, but avoiding grains is good, and if you must have them, go for whole grain. Just don’t get too wrapped up in studies that try and fool people with confounding data!

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